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untapdtreasure:

I’m seriously curious as to why this time last year we (Carylers) were not supposed to make everything about Daryl to do with Carol. Now fast forward a year (and two episodes of Beth/Daryl) later, we’re supposed to just accept that Daryl is all about Beth and Beth is all about Daryl. You cannot…

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raptured-night:

psychoanthrowalker:

frickss75:

ok getting off my chest time

I’m gonna say first of all that I read a message on someones blog calling Carylers ‘man-haters who only love Carol’ and I was like ‘what’. I assumed it was a guy because I don’t like think that there are women that think this way buuut then I see women defending Ray…

"She’s hasn’t been developed fully as character yet. Hasn’t gotten a chance to be her own person yet, and the main reason she gets brought up now is because of her ‘relationship (whatever that is) with Daryl. Nothing like defining a female character through her relationship, or importance to a man. On a show where the women are defined by their own character and treated equally, this is an anomaly that bothers me."

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I would hate for Beth’s first major storyline to only be about a romantic relationship (which is essentially what happened to Maggie).  I think that would be doing Emily Kinney and Beth a grave disservice to not develop her fully as a character before throwing her into a romantic relationship.  Season 4 was the first season where we really got a sense of who she was, but she’s still not nearly as fleshed-out as a character as she could be.  I think it would be especially a disservice to Beth because Daryl is a very well-fleshed out character and I think if the writers were to pair her up with Daryl now, when she still isn’t a fully-developed character, she just becomes relegated to this role as a “love interest for the hot male lead.”

This is a huge problem that I’ve had with Maggie’s character, how most of her storylines revolve around Glenn, as if Maggie’s central characteristic is that she is someone’s girlfriend/wife.  I have a huge problem with that and I’d hate to see that happen with Beth too.

I agree! It’s a major reason why I have only just begun to tentatively ship Richonne. Michonne’s character background is being revealed more and more, adding new depth to her character, and her connection with Carl is being established first. When/if Richonne does happen I believe that she won’t merely be relegated to the role of “love interest” and she will be able to keep her status as one of the interesting female characters on the show independently of Rick.

yeah thats a great example too. I like Rishonne myself but like you I dont wamt to lose Mishonne as a result. Im big on the ‘slow burn’ type ships that take awhile to develop because I feel like it gives the characters a chance to grow, and makes the relationship mich more meaningful whem it (of it goes canon.

Developing the chatacters forst then the ‘relatiomship’ is always much more rewarding in the long run.

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upper-ecchelon:

raven484:

I read a post once that said that Carol wouldn’t be good for Daryl because she quietly understands him but doesn’t “push him.” I know a lot of focus on the Caryl dynamic is that they were both abused and I think that it should be. Prolonged physical and…

raven484

raven484:

I read a post once that said that Carol wouldn’t be good for Daryl because she quietly understands him but doesn’t “push him.” I know a lot of focus on the Caryl dynamic is that they were both abused and I think that it should be. Prolonged physical and emotional abuse effects a person long after the abuse ends (if it ever does) and it plays a huge role in how they interact with other group members.

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lovesdaryl

lovesdaryl:

psychoanthrowalker:

lovesdaryl:

frickss75:

ok getting off my chest time

I’m gonna say first of all that I read a message on someones blog calling Carylers ‘man-haters who only love Carol’ and I was like ‘what’. I assumed it was a guy because I don’t like think that there are women that think this way buuut then I see women defending Ray…

One very simple reason for Rick ditching her is him seeing her as threatening his leadership position.

He refused to even sit on the council that replaced him, yet presumes he can ditch one of its members.

At that time, he’s the former leader of the group. A nobody, really. Nobodies don’t go around banishing others. You don’t like things as they’re run, and you’re nobody? Well, then, YOU leave. You don’t banish the others. You take the two kids that the others have been raising and feeding for you (but whom you don’t want around your kids any longer) and leave.

He still sees himself as the sole leader and does things the way he wants to without talking to anyone about it first. Sounds familiar? Isn’t that what he’s banishing Carol for? *sarcasm off

Soooooooo mad at Rick …

Totally agree with all that.  I think he thought she was a repeat of everything that he went through with Shane.  I think he also didn’t appreciate his authority being questioned because when he was the leader, it was “what I say goes.”  And I’m not sure that he’s really let that go yet.

I also think Rick is still kind of mentally unstable.

The aggressive smile on his face when he’s pointing the gun at Clara after she tries to stab him.  It really looks like he wanted an excuse to pull out the gun.  I think that’s why he’s been trying to shy away from violence, because he doesn’t trust himself to stop.

Then in “Infected,” Tyreese is understandably upset and ready to pounce on anybody and he ends up punching Rick exactly twice.  Rick proceeds to go to town on Tyreese, beating the shit out of him until Daryl manages to pull him away.  And you have Rick staring at his bloodied hand…

I don’t think that seeing Hershel beheaded, losing the prison, thinking Judith is dead, and seeing his son being threatened with rape have made his mental health any better.

Thank you. He’s not himself any longer.

All but fleeing from the hiker with the backpack who is screaming for help and almost catches up to them, then stopping to pick up the backpack later after passing the mangled body on the street?

Carl isn’t even slapped on the hand after shooting a surrendering kid in cold blood?

Then judging Carol when she says during that run that it makes sense and saves time to go out in pairs to search the little town as if she were personally stabbing these two peach people to death? Seriously?

I so hope his hypocritical attitude over the Carol issue will open Daryl’s eyes and he’ll stop being quite so meek with him. Rick needs someone to introduce him to reality and show him that people aren’t tools whom he can manipulate into doing his will by calling them brother. (And don’t get me started about Rick keeping Daryl from looking for Merle in WB … I can almost feel my blood pressure rising whenever I think of that …)

all this is awesome btw

I think the reason like has been pointed out that I really questioned the decision was because of Ricks mental instability. Its the reason he took himself out of the leadership role to be honest. And then he makes a major decision without consulting anyone about it. He is. or was at the time, not mentatly stable enough to make that decision to begin with. 

I think Rick has always had trouble reconciling the human with the savage part and its caused him to almost mentally split sometimes. One moment he’ll be fine and the next moment he just looses his shit on someone. It can be a little scary. He has trouble with balancing the 2 and it’s driven him a bit crazy. Which is why he should not have been the one to make that decision. 

He didn’t think about the consquences of it as well. Like when he and the others tried to force Daryl to choose between them and his brother, and Daryl left. And as Beth said (ironically) they were weaker without him. I think the same went for Carol too. Not that her presence would’ve make alot of difference when the Governer came, but they were weaker without her. 

Not to mention the fact that he hurt Daryl in the process and I think that will bite him the ass eventually. 

psychoanthrowalker

psychoanthrowalker:

frickss75:

ok getting off my chest time

I’m gonna say first of all that I read a message on someones blog calling Carylers ‘man-haters who only love Carol’ and I was like ‘what’. I assumed it was a guy because I don’t like think that there are women that think this way buuut then I see women defending Ray…

"She’s hasn’t been developed fully as character yet. Hasn’t gotten a chance to be her own person yet, and the main reason she gets brought up now is because of her ‘relationship (whatever that is) with Daryl. Nothing like defining a female character through her relationship, or importance to a man. On a show where the women are defined by their own character and treated equally, this is an anomaly that bothers me."

THIS.

I would hate for Beth’s first major storyline to only be about a romantic relationship (which is essentially what happened to Maggie).  I think that would be doing Emily Kinney and Beth a grave disservice to not develop her fully as a character before throwing her into a romantic relationship.  Season 4 was the first season where we really got a sense of who she was, but she’s still not nearly as fleshed-out as a character as she could be.  I think it would be especially a disservice to Beth because Daryl is a very well-fleshed out character and I think if the writers were to pair her up with Daryl now, when she still isn’t a fully-developed character, she just becomes relegated to this role as a “love interest for the hot male lead.”

This is a huge problem that I’ve had with Maggie’s character, how most of her storylines revolve around Glenn, as if Maggie’s central characteristic is that she is someone’s girlfriend/wife.  I have a huge problem with that and I’d hate to see that happen with Beth too.

THANK YOU for bring Maggie up, cause i was gonna mention that and didn’t. I knew I could count on you to complete my thoughts here. I do wish they had developed Maggie a little more before throwing her into a relationship. Not that I don’t like that relationship cause I do but I agree it does feel like her storyline does revolve around it. Its why they’re separation didn’t bother me that much I thought it was somewhat needed.

I think Beth has serious potential for development and story ac and like you said it would be a shame if she simply became just a  cog in Daryls story. arc and not appreciate for things SHE’S doing herself. It would be a disservice to her character to EK if that’s all she is in the end. Just a romantic interest and/or ideal rather than a PERSON. 

Like I said before, I don’t hate her, I don’t know her well enough to  truly love her either and I’d like to. I’m hopeful that her independent storyline gives me a reason to. 

A few things that have bugged me…

ok getting off my chest time 

I’m gonna say first of all that I read a message on someones blog calling Carylers ‘man-haters who only love Carol’ and I was like ‘what’. I assumed it was a guy because I don’t like think that there are women that think this way buuut then I see women defending Ray Rice for beating on his wife and dragging her through a casino so I don’t know. But getting off track here. 

Why do people assume this? Because we, like Carol dare to question Rick’s decisions on occasion. I realize he supposedly the MAN in charge and therefore always right *insert sarcasm*. Questioning Rick’s decisions, does not mean we hate him, I in fact love Rick myself, it means that we do not  assume everything he does is right. It’s not. Questioning a man in so-called authority, doesn’t mean you hate men, or don’t respect them. I question my boss sometimes, dosen’t mean I hate him or don’t respect him. It means that when he’s wrong I’m going to tell him. 

Believing in the ideal of what feminism originally stood for, i.e. equality not inferiority or even superiority, means that I and others will question men’s decisions and if they are a real man they will respect that. It’s about respect. That’s all. 

Now labeling Carylers as ‘man-haters’ is quite insulting to me personally cause the ones I associate with are nothing of the sort. We all love Daryl AND Carol as separate characters with their own storylines and we put them together because we like the dynamic they have. Daryl respects Carol, he respects ALL the women he encounters and dosen’t treat them as inferior to him. It’s one of the reasons he’s my favorite character on the show. One of many actually ;)

We like and talk up Carol because she is her own person, has her storyline SEPARATE from he male counterpart. She is not perfect by an y means, but that’s what makes her REAL to us.  Her relationship with Daryl (whatever the nature of it) is not central to her character, but an addition to it. And it is base on love, trust, and equality. The emotional support these 2 damaged souls give to eachother is second to none, but it is not all that defines their characters. 

Which leads me to my last point here, maybe a somewhat controvesial  for some. And it involves the fact that to be totally honest, is the main problem I have with Beth. 

I will confess to not even remembering her name until at least halfway through Season 3. I just knew he as Herchel’s younger daughter, who occasionally sang and took care of the baby. She barely registered to me. Its not that I didn’t like her it’s just that I was indifferent to her. You didn’t see much about her at all, anywhere to be honest. This is not her fault she just didn’t stand out. 

And now all of a sudden she is so very important. Why? Because she spent 3 episodes with Daryl, the most popular male character on the show. People are pairing her with him and now she’s everywhere. And this bothers me. Cause why wasn’t she important before? Why did it have to take her spending time with Daryl and being shipped with him for suddenly be an important character?

She’s hasn’t been developed fully as character yet. Hasn’t gotten a chance to be her own person yet, and the main reason she gets brought up now is because of her ‘relationship (whatever that is) with Daryl. Nothing like defining a female character through her relationship, or importance to a man. On a show where the women are defined by their own character and treated equally, this is an anomaly that bothers me. 

(I already wrote a post about the whole ‘sprained ankle, needed to be carried’ thing so I won’t rehash it but it has similar points)

I want to see Beth with her own story, separate of the whole ‘will Daryl find her i.ec save her’ line that I hear alot. I want to see Beth save herself and become a stronger character. She can do it and she dosen’t need Daryl’s help for that. I am interested to know how she develps and becomes her own person,  before I ever have a willingness to  really love her and ship her with anyone. Lets see how things go shall we?